How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

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I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

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ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

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The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

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Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

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I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

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I am like a fish out of water,

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

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ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

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Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

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If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

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— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

NOW…

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

Now here in this verse

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

then who is there to know what happens without?

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

CONCLUSION:

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

Sain (a barber)

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

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Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

Kabir (a weaver)

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

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But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||